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The Christian religions have laws and commandments that must be followed for one to get into heaven. These religious views are prevalent in western thought, and influence the way many view the idea of ‘good’ and ‘bad’. With no religion, no society influencing us, we would have no perception of what was ‘good’ and ‘bad’.
Mar 11, 09 20:19:19
I don't usually bother commenting but I feel I must. Firstly it is pretty ridiculous when you say that if you were raised in a muslim country you would think that you were doing God's work by blowing up buildings... 99% of muslims do not think this way and it is pretty sad if your media has made out otherwise. I have many muslim friends. None of them have blown me up yet.
Secondly you say in the "Christian religions". There is no such thing - Christianity is significantly different to islam and judaism. These religions do share the a common heritage in the Old Testament however.
Also an important point I must stress is that in Christianity you do not go to heaven through following the law but rather through having a relationship with Jesus. Whether you have obeyed the laws or not you will go to heaven if you know Jesus.
Not meaning to be rude or anything I just wanted to put these points out there since I think you have misunderstood a couple of things.
Mar 11, 09 20:36:21
I have to second squiloogle. Name me a "muslim country" that feels this way. In any faith there are extreme segments, christianity, muslim, jewish....and in each case the number of these extremists is proportionally minute.
If you'd like some reading material on the Muslim faith in general or about Muslim perception post-9/11 please don't hesitate to contact me. I happen to have written my undergraduate thesis on the topic.
Mar 11, 09 20:50:14
I don't mind the blog, but the first comment is right that a few of your statements are quite ignorant. But that's not a huge deal because it is your personal blog and obviously you are just trying to think through some issues. however you are going to get flamed so just headsup.
The positive thing that I took, is that despite some of your misinformation, your though process is both interesting to follow and shows your obvious intelligence. If anything use these comments and a positive thing that reminds you of why you are going to start college soon. You can take interesting courses on all of these subject, and your curiosity and intelligence will serve you well. Plus you'll be getting and education to fill in a lot of your knowledge gaps.
I was raised baptist in WV, but I took some classes on Islam at duke and it really opened my eyes. I really recommend getting out of your wheel house in college too. Take some courses on race relations or african american studies, maybe even a feminism course. I don't agree with a lot of the super liberal professors that tend to teach those courses, but you can learn a lot by being exposed to experiences and opinions very different than your own.
once again the blog is enjoyable. Especially for me who is a pro poker player, former college baseball pitcher, and also aspiring healthy eater.
cheers
themightyjim
Mar 11, 09 21:08:21
yea i changed, i meant crazy psycho osama terrorist type person. that was ignorant and offensive, and not what i meant at all.
Mar 11, 09 21:13:52
Ah so have you actually read the Tao Te Ching? Very cool stuff. I have also read several books on Taoism and besides being brilliant the mentality preached in it regarding avoiding highs and lows of emotion is very useful in poker...
Mar 11, 09 21:34:05
Reading your blog it occurred to me that many players, including myself, fall into the trap of "running bad". I think "ran bad" would be a more correct way of looking at it as the last hand doesn't affect this hand or the next...
Mar 12, 09 01:06:30
Muslims do think blowing up building is the thing to do.. Those say they do not are lying, which may suprise you is what they are suppose to do. Lying and decieving your enenmy are valued virtues for a mulsim. Ofcourse the US would never "lie" we just use "information warfare". Read the koran you "morans".
Mar 12, 09 03:00:55
try and understand the tao te ching before you apply it to something. otherwise you will confuse yourself. :)
it has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Mar 12, 09 03:46:55
Consider this:
You go to your first moral philosophy class at University and your professor says that you will not be graded on what you have read or what you think you know. Instead he plans to nail a live baby to the chalkboard and give everone a dart and whoever gets the dart closest to the heart of the child will get the best grade and so on.
You do not have to be a Christian or a Muslim or a Buddhist or have to think about whether this is a bad/wrong way to grade a class. You inherently know it is.
Long live the Poker Box.
Mar 12, 09 05:28:03
I think that saying religions cause a societies' moral codes is either incomplete or wrong.
Its clear historically that religions have been updated to match their societies codes, which evidently therefore have an atheist origin.
For example, we have stereotypes that Islam is violent and Christianity is not. Evidently from reading the books they are both similarly horrific. Primarily Jesus was said to have wanted Christianity evangelising to heathens via his (armed) disciples "not with an olive branch, but with a sword"
Everyone knows that quote, but ignores it because they interpret Christianity only as far as it matches the more developed Western atheist morality.
Its certainly true that religions affect a societies morality, but I doubt there are any examples of this being anything other than regressive.
This doesn't actually contradict much of what you wrote, only that this: "with no religion... ...we would have no perception of what was "good" and "bad"" is certainly not true, and is worth picking up on because it's a common mainstay of misleading Christian propaganda.
Mar 12, 09 09:30:13
the part about not worrying about other people's results is excellent and worth reading twice. everyone is caught up on the religion example and is missing the point. also, i took an intro level buddhism class in college and it was really interesting material--maybe you can look into doing the same if you have some spare credit hours.
Mar 12, 09 13:53:38
rolleyes to whoever said the tao doesnt concern buddhism, go read the first quote in davids blog
Mar 12, 09 15:47:31
The blog was well written and you are entitled to your own opinion.
For the haters...when MUSLIMS quit blowing up each other, killing each other during pilgrimages, suicide bombing large gatherings of people and suppressing women's rights, then get on your soapbox and talk to me about the peaceful religion of Islam.
For your next blog....discuss race and incarceration, slavery, and why women should stay in the home and not in the workplace.
LOL!
People are way to uptight :)
Mar 12, 09 18:49:33
http://www.geocities.com/thenietzschechannel/tls.htm
Mar 12, 09 20:03:56
Of course he is entitled to his own opinion, as is everyone else. I wasn't meaning to flame but he is obviously looking into and studying this stuff so I just wanted to point how a few misconceptions about Christianity and hope he changes his mind about Muslims. I found the rest of the post very interesting and hope you continue to voice your thoughts David.
To Alexdb: horrific things have been done in the name of both Islam and Christianity, I certainly don't deny that or ignore it. Just because things are done in the name of a religion does not make that religion inherently bad, it is the people who do these things that are bad.
Mar 12, 09 20:27:46
David you're blog is usually interesting in clearly deep. But you're ingnorance is hard to ignore.
wilneedheart was spot on when he said
"try and understand the tao te ching before you apply it to something. otherwise you will confuse yourself. :)".
Think before you speak man. Dont just read and regurgitate.
Saying that Osama is a crazy psycho without knowing anything about him or why the al qaeda exist just shows you are as close minded and ignorant as the people you mock.
Mar 12, 09 20:39:02
David said, " If I was raised as a Jihad terrorist or whoever we are at war with or whatever...." He NEVER said, "If I were a peaceful little Muslim boy being raised by a nice family in Lebanon." The truth is there are unfortunately many poor, ignorant and desperate young men pulled into a very radical form of Islam that DOES condone blowing up buildings in the name of their religion. He wasn't attacking Islam. Just those who have perverted it. The only issue I have with this comment was the "whoever we are at war with or whatever" part. It is important to know what is going on with "whoever and whatever" since there are many people in their early 20's fighting for your right to even have a blog.
Great comment by banasko. And I couldn't agree more with themightyjim on forcing yourself to explore other points of view. You are going to be force-fed a very liberal agenda and it would behoove you to seek out the truth for yourself (even if it means you might have to change your mind).Keep thinking. It is very interesting to be witness to someone figuring out who he is.
(by the way, I think the woman in the "primitive fight" example would not favor the victor, rather she would wish them both dead as to avoid being dragged off to the cave and violated)
Mar 12, 09 20:54:27
Threescratches I think you missed the bit where David said he edited that comment to make it clearer what he meant.
Mar 12, 09 21:43:27
it is always important to remind ourselves of why we are here...sacrfice from previous generations...fighting for humane way of living...if we all just lived our lives and ddint give a damn about tomorrow...the world for future generations will not be what it is for us today! we are at war for our children's right to a humane, free life.
Mar 12, 09 22:20:33
Martch 12th 2009, 8:20 PM
Evil must always be punished. Justice no matter what the cost. If we all were raised with the same values everywhere in the world... things may be a better place... Must investigate further...
Mar 13, 09 01:57:11
iplayer and doginthe fog, try thinking out side the box and/or moving out of the city you were raised in
Mar 13, 09 06:08:26
DAVID
You refer to good and bad as being ideas, asking where the idea came from. I doubt whether it is an idea though. What is good or bad is instilled in human nature as something preconceived that is not unique to any individual. For example, psychopaths do not murder because they disagree with the laws telling them not to- they do it because they fail, at that moment in time, to comprehend the feelings of their victim. They fail to benefit from human nature as others do. On the other hand, if someone were to drink-drive and they killed someone they would most likely never forgive themselves and feel great sorrow for the death of the unfortunate victim. It is for this reason that we know it is wrong to do so. It is not because we have been taught it is wrong to do so.
Your counter argument to this seems to be the fact that in a more primitive time, it was standard practice for people to murder. If we assume this is correct, it can be attributed to something other than a lack of being told it was wrong or that it was right. In primitive times, realisation of human nature's attributes was insufficient to prevent man killing man. This is why, in a legal theoretical context, Plato envisaged a perfect society where laws were created by 'philosopher kings' who by reason of superior wisdom had privileged insight into the true nature of virtue (or good/bad/morality). This implies that morality was something pre-existing that could be discovered and taught, rather than thought up and then taught. Plato saw these 'philosopher kings' as a utopian ideal that would transpose order on society, and whereby people would follow laws because they were reasonable (i.e. appealed to human nature) rather than because they were demands backed by threats.
In some situations you are right. I do not agree with you where you say that murder is wrong because we are told it is so. However, there are clear scenarios where this is not the case. For example, we drive on a particular side of the road because we are told to do so by road traffic laws, and therefore it is right to do so. This still pursues social order though.
As for the quote, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.", I do not think that it is necessarily incompatible with what I have said. Thinking something is good or bad does make it so to ourselves, but it will not actually make it good or bad in an objective way. Perhaps that quote (excuse my ignorance, I have not read Tzu) was meant in a more subjective sense in that anyone can think something is good or bad regardless of how it is classified in a wider, human-kind, context. Essentially, the human mind is a blank canvass which is why people have carried out appalling acts (holocaust, Stalin's Red Terror etc etc) and often actually believed their actions to be good. Human nature can be overcome, and in that sense nothing is necessarily right or wrong regardless of who you speak to. But it does not change the fact that reasonable people in reasonable situations are guided by human nature; not what they have been taught is good or bad. Overcoming human nature is usually what makes people do bad things- the fact that they do them does not mean they are good, despite what they have been told. Finally, there is no way we have realised human nature fully. It is a continuing process that will never finish.
I have no philosophical experience- that is just my take on it. Probably anyone could tear my argument to shreds, and hopefully I would benefit from it. Obviously, in philosophy, nothing is really right or wrong. It just depends on your point of view.
David your blog is awesome- I like that what you write is not just mindless. You explore your own feelings and think publicly about the things that are important to you and everyone else. I find it pretty funny that people complain about you blogging about what you eat; if they don’t care why spend 5 mins reading it?
CHRIS
Mar 13, 09 06:11:12
'To Alexdb: horrific things have been done in the name of both Islam and Christianity, I certainly don't deny that or ignore it. Just because things are done in the name of a religion does not make that religion inherently bad, it is the people who do these things that are bad.
squiloogle'
^ on the money.
Just a thought for Hitman and the anti-islam crowd:
There's been more blood shed in 'Christian' societys than in Islamic ones. In fact if you look back, people in the Islamist countries were no-where near as persecutory of other faiths.
Course one day the Eurodonks had to discover The New World and now we've got new equally pointless crusades for doginthefog and iplayer to endorse. As for the comment about securing your kids' safety, do you not get the feeling that a few more people might be angerier than they would have been before outsiders destroyed their homes?
Mar 13, 09 09:53:13
"To Alexdb: horrific things have been done in the name of both Islam and Christianity, I certainly don't deny that or ignore it. Just because things are done in the name of a religion does not make that religion inherently bad, it is the people who do these things that are bad.
squiloogle"
You must have missed the point of what I wrote. You say that bad people doing bad things in the names of their religions does not make the religion inherently bad, so you must be able to see that good people doing good things in the names of their religions DOES NOT makes those religions inherently good.
The core of the Abrahimic religions is the claim to a divine word of God in their holy books. THAT is what the religion inherently contains; and if you believed it, you wouldn't overlook or 'reinterpret' a single word.
Those books are the part that is horrific (just try reading them), and the fact the our societies enforce good moral behaviour on the continuing patrons of those religions such that they go as far as to change what they say they believe, does not mean that the religions themselves, as per their origins and the books, are not horrific. And it certainly does not mean that they deserve any mature, adult, sensible part in a discussion of progressing modern morality.
Mar 13, 09 16:12:54
CARL MURRAY YOU ARE 100% RIGHT. BRILLIANT COMMENT. IT IS HUMAN NATURE THAT DEFINES THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN.
To navila: You are an ignorant racist who should be kicked off this site
It is a common misconception to think terrorists commit atrocious acts for God or their religion. The truth is terrorists commit such acts (even suicidal ones) for themselves. Terrorists are sad unhappy people. They feel unfulfilled and powerless to alter the world around them. All terrorists are seeking a meaning and a purpose to their lives. They seeks to be recognised and remembered. Whilst it is true to say this of many people (ironically conspiracy theorists for example) terrorists are the most extreme form. Only with this mind set can a cause such as Islamic extremism have an influence on a person.
However whatever you think of Islam it is not the root cause. Take the recent shootings in Germany. The motivation for this individual to commit such an atrocity is the same as for the terrorist. Both result from a lack of self-fulfillment. Thus I must disagree with David.
Excellent blog though please keep it up.
Mar 14, 09 21:53:26
I think Raptor is guilty of not expressing his thoughts well enough. I don't think he meant to judge or put a label on any religions, he was trying to make point about the environment you are raised in or how it affects how you see the world. i thought it was clear what he meant and I was surprised people took offense to it. I loved the post. The idea that happiness is in your mind is a thought that I've had for many years.
Mar 14, 09 22:34:55
blackclayton would you like to add anything of any substance to your comments of thinking outside the box or advising me to move house? pretty pointless comment...
Mar 15, 09 04:09:22
David i appreciate your thought process here, that you are looking for meaning, but you are way off track. In life there is good and evil. You either work for one or fight against the other. Religion is an institution like a philosophy at a university campus, it is not what Christianity is. Religion is what people who claim to know God use to manipulate and exploite others. I hope you find what you are looking for, i did and it changed my life.
Mar 16, 09 06:45:33
I have not read the comments above.
An excellent post.
Life is about your perception of the world, and this perception is based on your background, upbringing and level of intelligence.
Religions are like shoes. Eskimos wear fur boots, Cowboys wear cowboy boots, Arabs wear Sandals. All these different types of shoe serve the same purpose. A true religion must be tangible, and not a man made house of prayer.
My religion / God is 'Mother Nature'. I was born of the soil and will return there. Nature supports my life; without Nature I am nothing. Nature is a God that we MUST believe in, and pray to by living in harmony with our natural environment; not poisoning the seas or land or air. If we do not live in harmony with nature, but destroy it, as we are doing now, then we destroy ourselves.
Karl Marx was correct in saying that religion is the opium of the people. It is an elixir for everything. The more we advance in our knowledge of the world, the more religion becomes obsolete. Religion gives people hope and that's why there will always be Religion. My religion is tangible. It gives life and takes it. It will never become obsolete.
Religion should be a way of life; not praying and wasting time building Houses of Prayer, to make the religion tangible. Live in harmony with nature, and your surrounding environment.
Mar 16, 09 06:57:50
Religion is the most powerful tool, created by Man, to control humanity. The intelligent minority have always controlled the majority, and religion is the most effective way to do that.
Another modern religion is the television or the Pub. It's all about 'control'.
Mar 16, 09 18:15:39
as Tolle says in The Power of Now, 'there are no problems, just situations."
Mar 17, 09 01:00:24
"...comparing myself to others is completely meaningless."
Keep digging, keep peeling back the layers of the onion we call reality. And remember David to stop, just stop, many times, everyday, physically, mentally, stop. In stillness alone we see what is.
-- Tommy
Mar 19, 09 10:56:52
david you should try reading some nietzsche...his stuff on the whole judeo-christian morality is very interesting. try Beyond Good and Evil as well as On The Genealogy of Morality.
also the quote "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." reminds me of Milton`s line in Paradise Lost (which i highly recommend as well) when Satan speaks to the other rebel angels saying that "The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven."
the 3 works i`ve listend here have all changed my outlook and philosophies on life so i highly recommend them...i think you`ll at least find them interesting.
Mar 23, 09 07:28:11
Very interesting post. The quote "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" is very interesting. The question of right or wrong, good or bad, is a subjective one. It is our perception of things that makes them good or bad and what is good in someones view may be bad in another's. While you may debate a moral question, the code you live by remains a personal one. There have been some attempts to base universal moral standards on religion, or on nature by saying that anything that is not considered natural, what ever that may mean, is bad. I dont think this is possible though. No-one is obliged to accept these moral codes and the question of right or wrong remains a subjective one
I have often thought about how much of how we see things is due to the environment we have been brought up in. Not just between different cultures but within the same as well. Many people would for example consider resorting to violence to be acceptable in situations where I most definitely would not. I have often been stunned by how much my views on right or wrong can differ from those of people with a different background.
It is also interesting to note how much of western moral standards are based on Christianity, even if we dont always fully realize it and even for people who are not religious themselves. Think of our reactions to nudity and sex. We tend to think that in many less developed countries and cultures peoples actions are based more on religious beliefs but we forget how much it is so for us too. We have been taught that certain things are bad eventhough there doesnt always seem to be a rational reason behind it.
As for men fighting over women and the acceptance of violence, we dont have to go too far in history for this to have been acceptable. A century or two is enough, duels were accepted in many societies as a legal means of settling all kinds of disputes. And Im sure even today you will find a lot of neanderthals who think it is ok, or even expected of them, to beat up someone who says something bad to their girlfriend.
Mar 23, 09 09:10:41
Subzero,
Further evidence of the fluid nature of rightness and wrongness can be found within any individual. Do any of us believe in or act on exactly the same set of rights and wrongs that we did a few years ago? Or when we were children? Everything always changes, and that includes every individual's ethical outlook.
Tommy
Apr 1, 09 00:39:43
The basis of right and wrong, is built on personal experience. As we feel pain, pleasure, guilt, and various other emotions we develop a sense of empathy which leads to a more personal sense of right/wrong. And of course human interaction shapes this sense greatly.
Apr 5, 09 05:13:26
interesting thread.
just read through some of ur blog. love ur vids, blog seems cool, etc, but have to agree w/ most of the comments here...
u just blatantly assert, basically take for granted, that ur view of morality is correct, and that Lao Tsu's comment is virtually self evident.
On the contrary, this issue of morality is a great and deep one, that has been debated at length over the centuries.
"This is why, in a legal theoretical context, Plato envisaged a perfect society where laws were created by 'philosopher kings' who by reason of superior wisdom had privileged insight into the true nature of virtue (or good/bad/morality). This implies that morality was something pre-existing that could be discovered and taught, rather than thought up and then taught."
This comment from one of the posters explains the other side, which many incredible intellects accept as truth. Morality is not conditioned on ur society, time, place, how u are brought up, etc, but instead exists outside of and beyond all these earthly references in the great Platonic sky, if u will.
In my view, it comes down to whether or not a God exists (another pretty hotly contested issue, I'm sure u'd agree :) ). If He does not exist, then I agreee completely w/ ur thoughts. But if He does, and He is a good and just God, then morality and goodness stem from His being, and are clear to us all. In this case, murder is clearly wicked and evil, not because of how society has conditioned us, etc, but b/c good and evil actually are real, in the Platonic sense, and murder is clearly contrary to the good.
You seem somewhat familiar with your side of the argument. I would just encourage you to now take the time to study in depth the opposing arguments, as set forth by some of the greatest thinkers and philosophers who have written throughout the centuries, who believe the exact opposite of Lao Tsu, that there distinctly exists the good and the bad (and the ugly- :) sorry, couldnt help it!), regardless of how one thinks of them.
Apr 5, 09 19:40:48
Most people are hypnotized and brainwashed by their conditioning. What they consider good or bad is really just a reflection of their conditioning, and that's unfortunate.
In order to truly be conscious you have to constantly question your conditioning. True awareness comes from observing your thoughts not from believing you are your thoughts.
Most people are scared to death of really questioning their conditioning. Because their identity is wrapped up in their conditioning.. And if they realize it's not true they'll get scared because they won't know who they are then. That's why it's always easier to emphasize differences instead of similarites.
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Mar 6, 09 12:25:36
my buddy did the p90x...he skipped 2 days i think..man..he got so great results...
but its very very tought
Mar 6, 09 18:19:48
if you haven't already, you should check out gyminee.com to track your food and workouts. it's the easiest way i've found to track meals and calculate cals, carbs, protein, fat on a daily basis either on the website or iphone app.
Mar 7, 09 14:44:22
Go to Gabriel's (10 minutes outside Santa Fe) for the best guacamole in the world and go to Tomasita's for the best New Mexican food in Santa Fe.
Mar 7, 09 20:59:09
i actually tried the p90x stuff and still use it when I can't get to the gym. Its definitely a great workout. The plyometrics was a lot of the same stuff I used to train in HS with and you should definitely give it a try.
Mar 12, 09 21:48:35
Watchmen was pretty much 3 hours of flaccid blue superhero dong. Aside from that I thought it was pretty bad ass.
Also, wicked jealous that your town has a Movie Tavern. Know of any in NY? We have to settle for getting sloshed and taking a bus to the mall, and that's like so high school.
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Mar 4, 09 10:57:31
you mentioned in a previous blog (which I cant find) that you purchased a jiu jitsu book that was really good and helped you with some of the basic positioning and techniques. What was the name of the book and the author. I am starting to train lightly here in Nashville at Nashville MMA and I think that it would help bring me along, since I have no previous BJJ or wrestling background.
thanks
john
Mar 4, 09 18:08:34
Your goals and lifestyle (and recent blog posts) seem to all be about the pursuit of happiness.
This is a cool video about how hapiness (and the pursuit thereof) works in our brains: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
This video is VERY good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERbvKrH-GC4&feature=PlayList&p=0164AE5E4C011BC7&playnext=1&index=4
Tell me what you think David.
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Mar 2, 09 01:16:35
Awesome post, best blog out there, even if that xtra vid is hilarious, keep the diet stuff in its all good.
Mar 2, 09 01:20:40
you're blogs are really inspiring a lot of the time......makes me think about a lot of stuff that i either dont usually think about or dont even originally want to think about because i know it will slightly depress me...one thing that ive always found to be interesting although a bit depressing is to hear peoples thoughts on their own mortality.....ne chance ud talk a bit about that in your next blog?
Mar 2, 09 01:21:11
dude i feel ya totally in that moment in time ure like uhh then you look back 2 years later and say dang that was a blast...its a game of give or take you ever wanna talk baseball lemme know i play in the minors i'm a pitcher
Mar 2, 09 01:34:10
critical essays by George Bernard Shaw-read it
Nothing wrong with Atheism, I am agnostic. But trying to manage situations independent of each other so much is pragmatically destructive. I love those words, using what you know works good for you in one situation and applying it in other situations, where the thoughts dont apply. You get heated, you dont want to debate what is obviously an opposable opinion. I don't think an existentialist would be very happy with you not doing that man the favor of forcing him to justify his own thoughts. After all, it is a favor in an atheist's world....
Mar 2, 09 03:28:04
I think you really hit the nail on the head here. Self-discipline is really just about finding a way to force yourself to take the necessary steps (ie: do things you don't really feel like doing) to achieve a goal. I think this is closely related to happiness and the satisfaction people get out of life.
And btw, I'm from New Zealand and highly recommend coming to visit my country. You won't regret it, and let's face it...our economy could do with some more tourism dollars =/
Mar 2, 09 04:29:05
It seems like you are really trying to find an identity outside of poker and exploring other facets of life, which is good. I just hope that your interest in other areas is not coming from burnout as far as poker goes because you are a great player and teacher. I hope that you continue to play for a long time...
Doug Wilson 420
Mar 2, 09 09:12:06
FWIW I think you convey your thoughts much better than you give yourself credit for.
Mar 2, 09 13:39:22
Can i buy some pot from you?
No but seriously this was probably like in the top 5 blog posts you've made. Keep writing about anything i'll keep reading.
Mar 2, 09 14:35:44
first time I have ever responded to a blog post, very inspiring. took alot of my muddled thoughts on the subject and summed them up nicely(all of my regrets are where I took the path of least resistance - aka pussied out - and I definitely like the old man analogy)
cheers indeed.
Mar 2, 09 14:37:53
You are able to go scuba diving and go on all these fun trips with all these awesome people because you have worked so hard and made a great living. So please keep this in perspective. I know this isn't a blast poker blog but please keep in perspective what this game has done for you and the opportunities it has allowed for you. It is your job now to not be a slave to your computer and to take advantages of the opportunities you have created for yourself.
Take care,
Darren
Mar 2, 09 14:38:03
You are able to go scuba diving and go on all these fun trips with all these awesome people because you have worked so hard and made a great living. So please keep this in perspective. I know this isn't a blast poker blog but please keep in perspective what this game has done for you and the opportunities it has allowed for you. It is your job now to not be a slave to your computer and to take advantages of the opportunities you have created for yourself.
Take care,
Darren
Mar 2, 09 15:21:10
next time you hike, take some boomers, it wont be the mosquitos or fatigue if you're bothered
Mar 2, 09 15:36:53
Enjoy those George RR Martin novels. I wish I could read through them again for the first time. HBO bought the rights and they're currently making a pilot. Lets hope that goes well!
As for the whole death-bed thing; I think a lot like you. I want to be lazy at every given moment but it doesn't create the memories. I don't want to waste my life away which I've been doing lately. bah. I need to work on my life game.
Mar 2, 09 15:46:34
Hi David,
I always enjoy reading your blog. I am myself trying to get rid of hedonistic habits, and have found it very liberating. It's very cool to read the same thing from someone else, as I sometimes feel most people don't bother.
Also, it's nice you're reading about the meaning of life. It's one of my favourite topics aswell. The God Delusion however was quite a dissapointment to me, as I found Dawkins to be a brilliant biologist, but a rather poor filosopher and even worse theologian. If you would like to hear my thoughts on this, email me. :)
Keep up with the blogging!
Ulysses
Mar 2, 09 15:55:24
If it makes you feel any better I know exactly what you're talking about. I think you kinda glossed over the best part though when you said "Instant gratification does not translate to long lasting happiness".
I'm also reading The God Delusion right now. I think it gets much more interesting about a third of the way through.
Great blog post, thanks for writing.
Mar 2, 09 17:54:37
Nice blog David, you did well to convey your thoughts. I also started reading God Delusion but I have too much on my plate so it's on hold for a while, I will definitely finish it though. Next on your list should be some Christopher Hitchens and God Created Integers... great stuff.
Mar 2, 09 18:15:09
"I wonder what it would be like to teleport to the top"
hahaha i ALWAYS think that when im walking.. i like the no regrets theory, can totally relate to it. and i think its super funny your reading twilight too hahahahha
Mar 2, 09 18:36:27
travel to Nz defo if you can. I live here and honestly its an amazing country and will be an awesome experience.
Mar 2, 09 18:36:37
travel to Nz defo if you can. I live here and honestly its an amazing country and will be an awesome experience.
Mar 2, 09 22:17:15
yea i got it from FF. I think it was 8, was a really long time ago but i remember thinking the name sounded cool. seemed fitting for this post.
Mar 2, 09 22:17:46
yea i got it from FF. I think it was 8, was a really long time ago but i remember thinking the name sounded cool. seemed fitting for this post.
Mar 2, 09 23:22:56
Let’s also say that I have a girlfriend, and she doesn’t want me to go, and this could cause a rift in the relationship. Looking back at 100 years old on my porch rocking chair, am I going to be thinking about how I could have grinding out a bunch of hands online and been in a relationship that couldn’t handle a 2 month break
on point david B
Mar 3, 09 00:32:12
Dan Gilbert and others address the exact situation you are talking about when reflecting on the past. If you haven't already read it, his Stumbling on Happiness sounds a lot like what you enjoy thinking about it. I highly recommended it.
Mar 3, 09 03:31:05
This actually makes perfect sense. I am the same when it comes to wanting to be somewhere else. So I just figured that if I always want to be somewhere else I can just be happy being where I am, I guess that is basically the power of NOW stuff working right there.
I once found an awesome talk about this on TED.com I think.. hold on..
I found it! http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html
Mar 3, 09 05:41:42
I think a lot of people (including myself) thinks about the experience(in that time it's not THAT great, but later on you're really glad you did it) same way you do.
great post!
gl@tables
Mar 3, 09 13:57:57
I think the duality youre talking about come from what your soul wants ( true self) and what youre ego wants witch is usually different. The Ego make us suffer but the soul knows we made the right choice and we feel happy.
Mar 3, 09 13:58:23
I love reading your blog. I find it comforting that someone with as much success as yourself goes through the same thought processes as myself.
There was a scientific paper that talked about how we look back on past experiences. Namely, that we tend to remember the positive points of past experiences. The best example I think, is how NOBODY, likes/ed school (namely high school and primary school) but often talks about how they miss those days. I often miss school days, namely the security and seeing all of my friends, but just remember hating it everyday and snap back to my senses.
Here is a similiar study if not the same one: http://www.physorg.com/news2976.html
I also think it's cool that you're an atheist. I think it's stupid to try and enforce your believes on others (which is why I have little respect for Christians in general). Anyone can believe whatever they want for closure. Being proud that you have chosen a specific religion is a stupid idea, being proud that you have made your decision is something else. Talking down on someone else's life choice is a sure way to get people to disrespect your believes. I have talked 2 of my best friends into atheism not for slandering their believes, but by talking enthusiastically about mine.
Mar 3, 09 20:48:17
why dont you put a ten second bleep on each book an multi table em!!
brilliant blog..
Apr 1, 09 00:28:29
Awesome post, very interesting and certainly a great way of thinking.
I'm not a huge health nut or anything, but you should youtube/google David Wolfe, and read the China Study.
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Mar 1, 09 15:41:54
hey David,
I've been on a fitness/nutrition binge lately as well so your daily food breakdown is very interesting to me.
I found this interview with a harvard chemist/nutrition guru ( http://tinylink.com/?HOxViXBCLg ) that was posted on my gym website to be very interesting and helpful, maybe you will too
cheers
Nick
Mar 1, 09 18:04:12
yep i always skip through the food part. i'm not sure whether it depresses me or bores me. (depresses me cause i live about as unhealthy as possible). haha. i figured i'll just wait till i start getting fat before i worry about working out or eating healty.
Mar 1, 09 18:12:41
why is fullflush1 so good? do you care to talk about his game and why you loss to him..I think alot of readers are interested on this
Mar 1, 09 19:28:58
Don't forget that playing higher vs (presumably) better opponents will improve your game a ton. Which obv helps your bottom line even more.
Mar 1, 09 19:57:56
I would love to hear what you think of fullflush as far as his table manner, play etc. He's really making a splash and kinda stirring the pot like Ilari did for a while (and still is lol)
Mar 1, 09 22:47:28
fwiw I wouldn't click that link above, or any tinylink.com links. tinylink.com/randomcrap type links can send you to any website and might be dangerous
Mar 1, 09 22:47:40
fwiw I wouldn't click that link above, or any tinylink.com links. tinylink.com/randomcrap type links can send you to any website and might be dangerous
Mar 1, 09 22:55:11
10 lb bass is my cousins husband Dee Tiller..he was on PAD cash game with PA,Doyle, elezra,
Mar 2, 09 00:04:29
here is the full link
http://crossfitottawa.com/lportal/web/guest/home/-/blogs/workout-of-the-day-26?_33_redirect=%2Flportal%2Fweb%2Fguest%2Fhome%3Fp_p_id%3D33%26p_p_lifecycle%3D0%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-1%26p_p_col_count%3D1%26_33_struts_action%3D%252Fblogs%252Fview%26_33_delta%3D5%26_33_keywords%3D%26_33_advancedSearch%3Dfalse%26_33_andOperator%3Dtrue%26cur%3D4
thought it seemed a bit unwieldly
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Took down the last post, getting wayyy too many PMs and emails about stuff. I appreciate all the help people are trying to give, but I got it figured out, and it really isnt a big deal. I just wanted to vent a little bit because i had a bad day, so thanks. Back to food, here is yesterday.
Somewhere around here the big downswing happens..
I went to bed pretty early and read some George Martin. His series, a Song of Ice and Fire is one of the best I have ever read, and i highly recommend it to everyone. Check it out, you wont be disappointed.
-David
Feb 27, 09 21:00:13
Dude, your mixing up the kashi, almond milk with the protein shake, whey protein shakes. That's obviously why you lost the 140.
:) Just kidding. Man, that must take some serious discipline to eat like that. That's funny that you're reading George Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. I find that series to be extremely depressing. I downloaded the audiobooks on torrents, and for some reason they make me want to open up a vein. The stories are so fucked up. It's like the "good" guys never win. Definitely not LOTR that's for sure. I'm addicted though, I need to download the other ones that have come out. I believe I'm up to the 5th book in the series now.
Feb 27, 09 22:18:43
ack dont change your blog because of some nvg morons its a really good read. Its pretty cool to read about all the cool spots you visit, and what its like to actually play in the big games. It shows a human side to this whole gambling way of life which some people seem to forget; that we are in fact people with real feelings and real emotions.
Feb 27, 09 22:54:05
Hey DB, try the yoga p90x dvd. I found it pretty tough for the first 45 minutes or so and I definitely think its a better workout than cardio. Although since you do yoga quite a bit, it may not be as hard.
Feb 28, 09 12:44:50
David,
I wouldn't about your detractors. While they understandably are very annoying to you, they make up a very small percentage of the people that visit your blog, and they are over-represented among those who give you feedback.
Feb 28, 09 16:07:36
Dave, forget about the negative comments. You have the best blog on here because you're willing to bitch about things others feel and just keep inside.
I don't really give a damn about your diet or bad beats, but we all have to deal with taxes, emotions, and life suckage. I enjoy hearing about your life and your opinions. You write well beyond your age. Keep the personal blogs coming.
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Feb 26, 09 13:46:26
Funny blog :)
3oz of beef jerky at once? I hope that is some really low sodium stuff.
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Feb 24, 09 01:07:18
u shldve asked for 10k/hr at least to mitigate the pain! next time tho david i think every1 wants to see this kid take a good beating!
Feb 24, 09 03:16:06
Hell yeah, that fullflush guy is a twat in his chat, would be nice to see someone nail him to the wall.
Feb 24, 09 05:55:37
FULLFLUSH i believe 95% sure to be MAFEWS under a new name. Every indication points towards it being him as 1 he had a downswing under mafews and stopped using the account and 2 his attitude and play is very very similar...but im sure you will know more about that than i do :-)
Feb 24, 09 09:40:06
I read your blog everyday and cant help but see you hype the jazz apple. You should try a Honeycrisp apple def the best apple ive ever had. you wont be disappointed and you will crush the fullflush
Feb 24, 09 11:17:37
i used to get the honeycrisp a lot, lately though the ones i have gotten havent been so great, and lack that overall crispness that i know and love. I switched over to the jazz as i guess its in a better season now for them or something, because they are always super crisp and sweet. mmmmmm
Feb 24, 09 14:14:20
that last paragraph really is great. it's nice to see you feeling good about stuff, even in the midst of a shitty day at the tables.
-tay
Feb 26, 09 05:27:22
You said in a video you made that you wanted a name for the "small bet to PRODUCE ACTION and TILT" so why not call it a PAT bet (one that "produces action and tilt").
Enjoy
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Sleeeeeeeeeeep.
-David
Feb 22, 09 13:35:47
Doyle definitely didn't put you on a 6; he was value raising all the way. Regardless of the outcome, I thought it was a stellar laydown. Generally speaking, he's never raising the river with worse. And, in his mind, it wasn't. Ha ha.
Feb 22, 09 14:13:51
"This was definitely not an easy spot, and what I find myself doing most often is just saying screw it then calling, which I just don’t think is the most profitable play."
At one point it looked like you were going to do exactly this, but then you went back in the tank.
As soon as I saw him going for the raise I knew it'd give you a sick feeling. Shitty spot, but if KJ isn't in his range its a fold and I wouldn't have expected doyle to raise KJ there either.
Feb 22, 09 14:14:06
David,
After playing with the best live players in the world, do you feel that they are better than a standard 5-10 player on teh internet?
I've played a pretty limited amount of live poker but everytime I play I am pretty astounded with the poor play from most of the regulars. Is that true in the highest limits of the game?
Feb 22, 09 15:29:29
Your hand earlier with Gabe where you called his bluff down with KQ also had to be in Doyle's mind when he made his raise.
Feb 22, 09 16:04:37
he was so owned when he realized you had the 6 (after everyone told him). you could see the shock on his face when he realized how terrible his move was.
all day you get shown boats in that spot. gf gh imo.
Feb 22, 09 16:25:20
Did you miss the hand he played against Cole on A6xK6 when he had T7off and floated two streets to bluffraise the river?
Plus, Doyle never won any hands! :-)
I was thinking, Oh man Doyle is gonna feel like he got slowrolled when Rapor calls. Then when you told him what you had I was sure you was calling.
And no he didn't own you. He just happened to get lucky with a bad valueraise. SICK MERGE DOYLE!
I'm really enjoying the show so far. Was hoping to see more action between Eli and you guys tho but I still got one ep to watch so who knows.
gg.
Feb 22, 09 16:35:42
Rollin,
Pretty sure in the hand against Cole, Doyle was in position and checked back the flop as the pfr.
Feb 22, 09 16:43:01
"He decided to act like the stereotypical live player.."
Never heard that about Doyle before,
Feb 22, 09 17:05:19
David, I understand that you think Doyle's play was bad, but given who is he - a legendary player, and by all accounts a super nice older gentleman who always shows respect for his opponents - I think this blog is pretty immature and classless.
You have every right to defend your fold, and obviously as part of your defense you should talk about his thought process in the hand. Even if you think his play was bad - which I agree with you it was - you have temper your comments about him with respect given who he is, and I was surprised and dissappointed by the tone of your comments about Doyle, saying things like you thought his play was "absolutely terrible" and that he "decided to act like the stereotypical live player.
Your comments about Doyle were even more suprising and dissappointing given what he had to say about you in his post-show comments - saying that that he thought you would be a great player.
Again, to voice you comments about him in the way you did in a widely-read public forum is pretty classless and immature and I think you owe him an apology.
Feb 22, 09 17:27:11
Thanks for the explanation, I was wondering about that hand since if KJ is in his range (which you kind of said it was on TV), it's a really easy call.
Feb 22, 09 17:35:47
David - What a nit-fest that game would have been if you weren't sitting! I think you played exceptionally well for the entire week. You seemed very genuine and handled yourself well on TV.
PS - I knew you were fked when he raised on the Jack river because I had a feeling you might not even include KJ in his PF range; Let alone his VALUE RAISING range. Oh well. If you play with Doyle again on PAD I'd love to see how you both adjust to the dynamic you guys built over a few hundred hands.
GL with everything, especially your coaching.
Feb 22, 09 17:44:51
"Again, to voice you comments about him in the way you did in a widely-read public forum is pretty classless and immature and I think you owe him an apology."
Not knowing David from Adam, but I suspect if he and Doyle talked about the hand afterwards, David is the type of person who would tell Doyle that his play was terrible straight up. Just because Doyle is an all time great, should not exclude him from criticism. Given the amount of comments this and Davids last blog have recieved, lots of people want him to comment on this particular hand. This obviously means commenting on the hand from Doyle's angle also. I dont think that David's comments were overly harsh and even the "decided to act like the stereotypical live player" comment seemed slightly in jest imo.
Feb 22, 09 17:55:20
Sillydonkey, just for you, i included a preface to what i wrote. I DO think doyle is a great guy, and NO WHERE in my post was I speaking against him as a person, just this particular play. I think you are going a little off your rocker, but I can see how someone may think I am being overly harsh.
Feb 22, 09 18:03:41
i don't want to be mean to doyle, but i seriously doubt he could beat 5/10 NL online after watching some of the plays he made there.
did it seem to you that doyle even considered hand ranges? it didn't seem that way to me. even with the horrible bluff with 107 vs cts's AQ, doyle said on the saturday wrapup that he didn't think cts would call, but doyle clearly was just thinking that cts wouldn't have the balls to call instead of thinking about the big hands (or rather lack thereof) he was representing himself.
Feb 22, 09 18:16:52
So did Doyle tell you he had KJ after the game was over? If so how did you react or say?
Feb 22, 09 18:18:20
David can you fault Doyle for value raising if his range for you was just KQ, or AK? It seems to me that he never considered any hands but those two and was heavily influenced by the way you played KQ against Gabe. I'm not sure anyone can be faulted for how they played this hand especially considering what we saw leading up to that hand. The only thing that can be taken away from this hand and I think Doyle did, was that you are a more dynamic player than he thought you were.
Feb 22, 09 18:37:55
David,
You are totally looking at this the wrong way. You played a big hand with a legend and this something you can always talk about. Plus, you made the right play, who cares what anyone else says.
Feb 22, 09 18:53:36
If doyle thought that AK was his range, did he not think AA would bet 3 streets as well? I wonder if he thought AA would lay down to a raise there.
When I saw the J fall, I thought it was going to get david paid, but wasn't sure if doyle would raise cause he still cant beat AA.
Feb 22, 09 19:07:39
David, I appreciate your response to my comment about your post, and I am glad you recognize that your comments on Doyle's play could be easily interpreted as overly harsh.
The truth is that if your comments were directed at any other player I wouldn't care enough to comment, but again, because of who Doyle is and what he had to say about you publically, I think that he should enjoy some deference with respect to the tone of your comments about his play in this case - otherwise, I just think it makes us internet players come off as cocky and disrespectful.
That said, I agree with you that I went too far with my initial comment....it was written in the heat of the moment. Again, thank you for your response. I remain a huge fan.
Feb 22, 09 19:29:39
You are of course not an idiot you are to my mind one of the brightest poker minds in the history of the game. Still I think you made mistake by not calling and here is why. I watched Doyle a lot on TV and read his book. He is never floating two streets with a very strong he is always raising, always. He plays his made hands very aggressively. If he had a 6 he would atleast raise the turn if not the flop. If he had 88 he would raise the turn. The only two hands he could really have there were JJ(we saw him calling pre with JJ) and KJ. So if he has JJ well what can you do just pay him off.
P.S It is really easy to judge when you sit on the sofa wathcing PAD :)
Feb 22, 09 20:14:40
At the time of the fold was good based on the assumptions had about dolye's game and fact he was value betting. However saying you would make that fold again is just being stubborn. You have to change your play according to new information you learn about the player and redo your assumption you have about doyle's game.
That being said.
Doyle almost never slow plays.. KK he reraise preflop, 6 on the flop he would raise, bink 88 on the turn he would raise the turn.
Maybe he only calls pre with JJ, then get there calling two streets and catches the river. Thats one hand that 1/3 likely to be out there then KJ.
You are good 66 percent of the time against doyle in that spot and only need to be good 25 percent of the time to make that call. You are burning 70k each time you make that fold against doyle.
Feb 22, 09 20:21:03
Just wanted to say that I thought you played great and came off really well on PAD.
I think your thought process for the 56 vs KJ hand makes obv sense and I'm pretty sure if you gave the hand history and your reads to any other world class player like yourself, most of them would come to the same decision.
Feb 22, 09 20:25:40
To all the people saying this is classless, I hate the twofacedness of the poker world where everyone constantly talks about how they like people who are scumbags and say that terrible well known players play good. Keep keeping it real IMO
Feb 22, 09 20:49:25
yah.. and i just wanted to add I thought you played great overall and would were the favorite at that table to win the most in the long run.
Feb 22, 09 20:58:20
Historically Doyle doesn't slow play often. But we did see him slow play AK and JJ pre-flop during the week.
David is right. That was a horrible play by Doyle and it's near impossible to make that call and think it is correct long term. A lot of \$50NL players even know not to raise that river.
Feb 22, 09 21:20:40
I also wanted to add the comments that there is no exact way to play every hand and that is why i love this game so much, same hand, same players, different circumstances based on past hands, past histories, steam, tilt, etc. Doyle is amazing, but even the most amazing players make bad plays and bad calls... it happens and you can't be afraid to criticize his play if it's the wrong one, it's the same criteria that makes you a better player in being able to analyze hands after and see what you did wrong and be able to call out your own mistakes. It was a crazy interesting spot and the discussion is incredible and enlightening.
Feb 22, 09 22:04:33
How many times did Doyle doze off? I set the over under and about 7. Any takers?
Feb 22, 09 23:32:08
"Doyle is a super awesome guy, a great ambassador for poker, and just an overall nice person that is impossible to hate."
--> Yeah, a racist fat redneck capitalist pig who votes republican and states in his blog he agrees with the throwing of the atomic bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A really COOL guy.
"745am 1.25 cups kashi go lean crunch, 1 banana, ½ pound strawberries, 1 cup silk light vanilla soy"
--> I dont care how many banana's you eat a day. You really have a problem with food issues.
Feb 23, 09 01:08:46
when i saw the hand i knew you was going to fold, for the reasons you stated... putting him on a bluff is rediculous
that was one nasty spot
Feb 23, 09 09:20:12
Alkhine do you realize that it was estimated that the U.S. and Japan would each lose over 100,000 lives if the bombs hadn't been dropped and the U.S. had been forced to invade the island of Japan?
Feb 23, 09 09:24:31
Emshiarla, can you really fault Doyles play? I think the correct thing to do is to fault his read. His read was too narrow (KQ,AK). But if that's the read he has then his play is right on.
Feb 23, 09 11:37:58
lol @ the guy who said if KJ *IS* in doyles range its an easy call. Yes if the one hand he could possibly have we beat is in his range then obv its an easy call. lolz
Feb 23, 09 12:12:43
well i think this hand is a great example of the different ranges in a live game. Doyle must have put Dave on AA AK maybe KQs and i think he even commented somewhere in the show about being surprised you raising UTG with 56. one thing i have seen Doyle do on high stakes poker is make very good thin value raises and river bets. Doyle maybe be more used to playing against guys who will call his river raise with AK AA and KQ. as someone who plays a lot live i have always admired Doyle's ability to get max value.
Feb 23, 09 12:31:21
"lol @ the guy who said if KJ *IS* in doyles range its an easy call. Yes if the one hand he could possibly have we beat is in his range then obv its an easy call. lolz"
Yea, lol. Silly me. Basing my statement on hand combinations and pot odds.
Oh, and I didn't say it was an easy call, just that it would be a call.
Feb 23, 09 13:23:21
i understand how you folded the hand david and respect your blog. Your comments about doyle are correct its your blog and in no way were you disrespectful. You cant have this amount of fame and appear on such shows as PAD and not have an opinion and be afraid to voice it.
Feb 23, 09 22:18:30
I dont know if you read this but i"ll comment any way. That was the best hand of the show in my opinion ,watched it twice actually. I think you had Doyle on KK when he makes the river bet . I tried to put myself in your shoes when I watched it the second time . When I did , you just cant really call. You just get shown the house`there and I think you made a huge laydown. If you shove which would have been really wild , your hoping he folds .....thats about it . Crazy hand well played. Wish they would put out a players edition where you only get to see one players hand [ choose the player you want] and you play the hand with them so to speak . The masses wouldnt like that though ...
Feb 24, 09 00:51:48
dude, I don't think you looked silly at all in that hand... tbh, anyone who knows anything would say that doyle is the one that looked extremely silly in that pot.
That hand was a perfect example of how sometimes making a mistake will win you a pot... ie doyle
Feb 24, 09 08:55:17
Calind, yeah I can fault Doyle's play there. It's always a mistake when your raise will only get called by hands that beat you. KQ would have been insta-mucked while AK would think and fold most of the time by most players.
The look on his face after he found out David had a 6 said it all. He knew he blew it and got lucky. Doesn't happen to Doyle that often.
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