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jcl's Poker Blog
March 14, 2010

Well the inevitable downswing came. It started with me steadily losing for a few days and then yesterday I plunged 29K. Whatever.

I'm now 37K down from my peak and back to roughly even for the year.

Anyway, I'm in the middle of graduate applications for next year and it's got me thinking again about what I want to achieve in poker. I hope to take a year off next year to travel and whatnot and in that time I also want to finish off some of the things that I set out to do in poker. Only then do I think I'll be able to move on completely.

I remember when I started I just wanted to reach 5/10 NL, because that's what Taylor Caby played in his videos, because there you got to buy-in for 4 figures rather than 3, and because the blinds there were no longer blues but reds. I said to myself that if I ever reached 5/10 I'd just play there forever, be happy with the money that I made there and concentrate on other things in life. Ultimately, my goal was to reach an end-game at 5/10, where I could play with little stress but still make very decent money.

As soon as I hit 5/10 of course, my sights were set higher. Remember Mikey McD in Rounders? He played with just greens and blacks, how cool is THAT!

And so for the last year or so I've steadily been aiming at one day becoming a regular at 25/50 - THAT would be my endgame, and for real this time (it's not like I could aim higher if I wanted to anyway - the games don't run).

I generally set  out to make 111 buy-ins (random I know) at a given stake at 6-max before I move up to the next one permanently. I need another 75 for 10/20 so that's my main goal for this year, along with the 200K overall profit figure. Then next year I can hopefully start the year as a 25/50 regular, playing some 10/20-15/30 when certain huge whales are sitting, taking shots at 40/80 to 100/200 when the games run, playing some 10/20 HU on the side for fun and - above all - just  generally enjoying the feeling of having reached the end-game that I've strived to reach for so long.

So anyway here's a run-down of what I want to achieve in poker before I finish. Let's see how much of it I can tick off come the end of 2011...

2010 (Jan 1 to May 31)

·         Win $207K at 10/20 6-max

·         Win $200K profit overall (minimum $100K)

2011 (Jan 1 to Dec 31)

·         Play 25/50 regularly (as well as the other games listed above) for 6 months minimum

·         Play the EPT Grand Final in Monte Carlo

·         Win a live tournament with a $1000 buy-in or higher

·         Final table a live tournament with a $5000 buy-in or higher

·         Cash for $100K in a tournament

·         Win $1M overall

Some in the 2011 list are obviously way more fanciful than others, but I guess that's why they're goals!

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Mar 14, 10 07:42:24

TID JCL!!

asufan23





Mar 14, 10 07:42:38

TID JCL!!

asufan23





Mar 14, 10 09:29:43

You are inspiriring! Im so sick of the blogs which are like Yeah I'm kinda done with poker blabla..
Great goals sir. I wish you the best of luck.

DonnyCD





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March 06, 2010

Poker has continued to go well. Since returning from the coast (where I reviewed my poker notes for the first time in almost a year!) I've simply been on fire - playing well and running extremely well.

 

I was having another really good session today but then badly butchered two hands for 5K total and immediately quit before I started tilting off all the hard work that I had done. I'm going to finish the rest of my poker notes tonight and then hopefully continue my good form next weekend. Let's see if I can get it to 100K before I hit the inevitable downswing!


Mar 6, 10 10:22:36

aussie aussie aussie!

nuvanone





Mar 6, 10 13:15:45

great work man. keep it up!

tristyle





Mar 7, 10 15:23:59

what are your "poker notes" exactly?

Totals





Mar 10, 10 06:04:03

your poker room

Hey JCL,

Great work man... what rooms are you grinding?

atuc





Mar 11, 10 19:28:16

ev line/redline or gtfo

TwoSHAE





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March 01, 2010

I've had a horrid start to the year so I'm going to indulge myself a bit and post a brag of my last 2 days. It's all 10/20 except for 11 hands of 5/10 and 58 hands of 25/50.

 

I'm now up for the year online and am only down about 10K overall (which really is just the PCA buy-in). Finally, I can properly start climbing towards my $200K profit goal for the year.

In unrelated news, I missed my first class of the year today because I misread my timetable and arrived 2 hours too late :(. Take the good with the bad I guess!


Mar 1, 10 06:24:13

You sir, are sick

vipex





Mar 1, 10 08:32:45

Well Played sir

nomo4life





Mar 1, 10 09:49:25

\$200K goal for the year? Just make sure you get 20K hands in by December 31st.

verneer





Mar 1, 10 11:45:07

Cue doomswitch. What's this about you being in Vegas? Omgomgomg jcl in vegas can we like hang out talk poker and get mani/pedis and our makeup done?!

princessdonk





Mar 1, 10 22:47:08

\$200k seems a really low target.......... ?

grogheadflow7





Mar 1, 10 23:49:58

im going on exchange to sweden so wont be playing a hand from july 1st onwards...leaving my RSA tokens at home so i dont get tempted :) that's the plan anyway hehe

jcl





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February 28, 2010

So I had a really bad start to the year and was down 50K a week ago. Some of it was tilt, some of it was not game selecting anymore, some of it was just bad play.

Fortunately I was taken away from my computer for a few days as I went down the coast to a friend's beachhouse. It was a good chance to clear my head and just watch movies and play X-Box all day. I also went over some of  my poker notes to make sure that my game was still sharp. Since I've been back I've made 29K in 6.5K hands, so it seems that the break did do some good :).

I return to uni tomorrow and with 4 days a week rather than the 2 that I had last semester I imagine that I won't be able to play nearly as much as I'd like to in the next few months. I'm still going to aim for 200K profit by June though, although realistically I'll be very happy with 100K.

I also decided not to do the law course at Cambridge in July after all. There were a few factors in my decision but mostly I didn't want to have an 80% final essay hanging over my head while I travelled around Europe. This does however open the door for me to return to Vegas. The 25K 6-max and the Main Event both interest me but in the end I think the 30% tax will be too much to overcome. It was worth it for the experience last year, but it's going to be pretty hard to justify playing again. That said, I didn't get to experience Vegas itself as much as I would've liked to last year since I was in the tournament for so long, so I might go for a couple of days and just live it up and maybe play some cash on the side. Then again, I could just arrive in Europe a week earlier and live it up there instead :).

In other news I've coaxed a few friends into playing a run'n'go with me in June. Buy-in $100, treadmill set on 10km/hr, last one standing wins :). Wish me luck!

Finally, I got featured over at PokerNews which was pretty cool. Have a read if you have time: http://www.pokernews.com/online-poker/interviews/o...

Good luck at the tables guys.

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Feb 28, 10 19:57:46

GL with the downswing bro, i know you'll make it back.

Sick blog btw

sambo_888





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February 18, 2010


PCA - Eating and Drinking

Food

Food at the Atlantis does not come cheap, but if you're willing to splash out (and not think about your health too much) there's definitely some really good stuff on offer.  

Fine Dining

For fine dining options, my favourites were Nobu, Mesa Grill and Mosaic. We had Nobu on the last night and after a week of cheeseburgers, steaks and Philly cheese steaks it was simply a godsend. I managed to get dealt three Aces at Three Card Poker and win $500 while waiting for our table so we also nearly freerolled the meal :).







I didn't try Mesa Grill last year but heard everyone talking about it so this year I thought I'd try it out. It ended up being unbelievably good and we returned for a second helping the night after. Here's a picture of the pork tenderloin I had on the first night - it melted right in your mouth!



Mosaic is a slightly upmarket buffet at the Cove which offers, among other things, unlimited sashimi (mmmmmmmmmmmm...), an on-the-spot pasta chef, great grilled meats and a decent selection of cheeses. Its desserts are surprisingly disappointing but on the whole I highly recommend it.



If you go to PCA next year, other places worth checking out are the Seafire Steakhouse and Marketplace.

The Marina Village

If you want to get away from the hustle and bustle of the casino and hotel, the Marina Village is the place to go. It has a very laid back atmosphere and feels almost like a sanctuary compared to the surprisingly intense hotel and casino.



At the end of the Marina is a Johnny Rockets which we had a couple of times.



There's also a place called Bimini Road which apparently offers traditional Bahamian fare. I had the steak sandwich...



Finally, we tried a place called Murray's Deli which was pretty terrible but provided great entertainment value. The clown there (Bozo) was completely off his face and between scaring the shit out of children and making rude comments about his fellow employee's boyfriends, we're pretty sure he is now unemployed...



Drinking

Truth be told, there really isn't that much to do at night at Atlantis. On one side of the casino is the Atlas Bar and Grill, on the other is Dragons Bar, and that's basically it. Fortunately, in addition to meeting Sam and Lisa, we also met three girls from San Diego who were pretty cool so we were able to have a pretty fun week. I also managed to catch up with Boston Lisa (a girl I met at PCA last year) so that was pretty neat.

The San Diego girls at Atlas



The girls at Dragons



Boston Lisa and me at Dragons



Everyone's last night at Dragons





The Player Party

On the Saturday PokerStars held a Player Party with Kelly Rowland featuring as the special guest. I felt kind of bad for her because no one was really into it so whenever she shouted "lemme hear you say 'ohhh ohhhhhh'!" she was simply met with silence and a flash of cameras.



Overall though the party was surprisingly good. The food was decent (though sparse), there were unlimited drinks (including cocktails), we had a nice chat with some Latin American PokerStars pros (and their pretty-on-the-eyes ESPN presenter friend), and I even managed to run into a Scandi I final tabled an APPT Sydney side event with (shout out to you Hienrich!)! Fraser also got to have his photo taken with Daniel Negreanu which I think made his week or perhaps even year :).

Aura

After the Player Party we hit up Aura, Atlantis's nightclub. It reminded me a lot of Jet in Vegas, the only other nightclub I've been to in America (and let's face it, Atlantis is basically American). Though I don't remember much of the night (damn, those Bahamians like their drinks strong!), from what I do remember the night was a lot of fun.



Our tequila "shots" (more like cups!)



Conclusion

So that brings me to the end of the PCA portion of my trip report. It was loads of fun and I'm pretty disappointed that I can't go back next year. For those who haven't been yet, I highly suggest you do. You won't regret it :).  

To finish, I thought I'd leave you with this pretty hilarious video of Lisa dancing with some guy at the Player Party. The guy was quite the chick magnet, and as soon as she saw him, Lisa made a beeline directly for him!

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Feb 18, 10 09:43:07

the nerdy dude has some moves...haha

kingriver321





Feb 19, 10 07:24:34

you forgot to mention "Chop Stix" - pretty awesome place as well.

Also had a terrible experience with murrays deli restaurant.
Very nice report!

D1Nozzo





Feb 19, 10 11:42:26

I didn't like Chop Stix. It's nice but nice in the sense that you can get it for 1/3 of the price on every second street in Australia. I dunno, maybe Asian food is more 'exotic' there or something and so commands a higher price but wasn't really worth it imo.

jcl





Feb 21, 10 13:33:14

Hey, great trip report + pics.

If I was to go to Aruba, how long of a stay do you think is enough for a "full experience?"

idcimallin





Feb 25, 10 10:37:57

PCA is actually in he Bahamas, Aruba is a different tourney. in any case, i'd say 7 nights is fine. first 5 days to do everything and then 2 days to genuinely sit back and relax and redo the things you enjoyed the most.

jcl





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February 14, 2010

 

PCA - Playtime!

So my tournament was over but, as anyone who's ever been to PCA knows, that's when the fun just begins.

This year I had been smart enough to invest in a Canon waterproof camera so I was able to record the slides, rides and lazy river in all their glory!  

Power Tower

Most of the slides leave from a building called Power Tower. Here's Sam and Lisa, two Aussies we met from Melbourne, going up the conveyor belt to it.



Most of the rides involve riding your doughnut down a slide, but my favourite is definitely the Abyss, a pitch black vertical drop. Watch these reaction videos to see why! :)

Fraser

Lisa

Of course, in reality it's not too bad at all!

The Mayan Temple

The Mayan Temple houses the rest of the rides, including the notorious Leap of Faith. Here's Sam having the time of his life going down it.

There's also a ride which takes you right through a shark tank. Pretty cool!



The Lazy River

What everyone refers to as the Lazy River is actually called the Current/Rapids (I only discovered this myself halfway through the trip) and the real Lazy River is this tiny circle of lifeless water near Beach Towers.

Whatever its name is, it's definitely a lot of fun! I was worried it might not be as fun this time around but it seems that riding a doughnut down rapids never gets old!



Adrian

Random video of us on the river

One of the lifeguards took a liking to Lisa and decided to give her a little peck on the cheek. Ok, maybe not so little...nor on the cheek...



The Beach

No one really swims at the beach. It's basically there to let you sit back, relax, and make you feel like you're in paradise.



Locals stomp up and down the beach offering various services. On one particular day, after hearing the rallying cry of "Booooooze Cruise, who wants to get plastered?" we hailed the man down and signed up for the next day's cruise, each parting with a $10 deposit. We didn't end up turning up that day though because a big night out that night proved too much. We conjectured that there doesn't actually exist a cruise and that the man just collects deposits because he knows well that everyone who signs up is going to be too hung over to turn up!



Dolphin Cay

We also took the chance to go swimming with dolphins! I'd never done something like that before so it was a pretty awesome experience. As well as touching, kissing and swimming with the dolphins, you get to have the dolphin push your foot and zoom you away on your body board. Surprisingly painful, but loads of fun!



Marine Life

Feel obliged to throw in a few of these :).

Happy Snaps

Unfortunately not everything can be so easily pigeon-holed, so here are some more happy snaps!

All in all, a pretty darn good time!

Next: Eating and drinking!

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Feb 14, 10 09:15:06

Great pics and vids JCL.

Spudt24





Feb 14, 10 09:40:04

awesome pics, what camera do u have?

Alexos





Feb 14, 10 18:19:33

Wonder if u cud be more asian. Or pale.

princessdonk





Feb 14, 10 18:29:35

jcl ur the best.

princessdonk





Feb 17, 10 00:49:35

alexos, it's the Canon PowerShot D10 apparently. this one:

http://www.coolgadgetconcept.com/the-first-ever-canon-waterproof-camera-%E2%80%93-the-powershot-d10/

jcl





Feb 17, 10 00:51:13

its a sick camera, i initially bought it just for the water scenes but the pic quality was so good i used it for everything i could over my normal camera. problem is it's a bit bulky so not so fun to take out at night since u cant put it in ur jeans or nething

jcl





Mar 3, 10 02:15:44

Awesome pics and nice TR

turnip_juice





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February 10, 2010

Introduction

Atlantis.

Paradise Island.

The Bahamas.

Loll those words around your tongue a few times and it's hard not to get a little bit excited.

When I left Atlantis a year ago I was already counting down the days till I would return, so when the taxi doors finally flung open and I stepped out to be greeted by the splendid glow of the Royal Towers at night, I couldn't help but smile to myself.

I was back!

PCA - Main Event Day 1B

So I've been thinking about how to structure the PCA portion of my trip report and I've decided to break it down into little sub-sections: poker, slides, drinking etc. Since most days basically mirrored each other, I imagine my Vegas day-by-day format would grow rather tiresome. Anyway, today will be about the Main Event.

Table Draw

As usual I was the first to my table and watched in despair as a bunch of randoms sat down; probably a good thing, but let's face it, we all like having a few well-known pros on our tables! There were two seats left, the 8 seat and the 9 seat, and just as play was about to start none other than Mike Matusow took the 8 seat and Vicky Coren took the 9 seat. I guess name pros like to make an entrance!

The one thing that quickly became apparent was that Mike really lived up to his nickname. The guy literally never stopped talking! I couldn't quite believe it, it was like he didn't need air or something. It ended up being quite distracting, but he more than made up for it with some highly entertaining (and potentially controversial) stories which I won't repeat here.

Backdoor Flushed

My first hand of note I raised AQ and got called by a middle-aged man in late position. The flop came Qd 6d 5h, I bet and he called. The turn brought the Jh, I bet again and he called again. The river brought the 2h, I checked and he bet. I thought for about a minute before finally calling and he showed AKh. Lame.

The very next hand I opened 77 and got flatted by a younger player behind. The board ran out Q733J rainbow and I bombed all three streets, hoping to look a little tilted from the hand before. He called down all the way and mucked, showing AA.

Big River Bluff



So I was treading water around my starting stack when the following hand went down.

With the blinds at 100/200, Matusow raised to 600, a player called in the HJ, I called in the CO with AQ, and the big blind called. The flop came A23r and it checked to me. I bet 1500 into 2500 and the big blind was the only caller. The turn was a 7 and the big blind checked. The pot was 5500 and he had 14950 behind.

If he had 5K more I think this would be a clear bet/fold but I was kind of concerned about bet/folding here because he'd just lost a big pot (hence he only had half his starting stack) and if he was on tilt (or was just really bad at poker) he might check/shove a worse Ace if I bet on the turn. It'd put me in a really tough spot so I decided to check it back and just go for one more street of value on the river. I figured that if I bet the turn and just got check/called I'd be checking back a lot of rivers anyway and even if the river came safe for me to value-bet (like a deuce), it's not certain that he pays off on a third street with worse. Thus I didn't think I was missing out on too much value by taking this line.

The river came a 5 for a final board of A2375 and my opponent led for 2600 into 5500. My plan was to call just about any river but this river card combined with his bet-sizing really concerned me. It looked like a value-come-blocking bet: scared of the four straight but wanting to milk some value with something like two pair or a set. I thus decided that fold > call.

The pot now had 8100 in it though and I didn't really feel like folding. He had 12300 behind and after a little bit of thought I threw in three 5K chips. I figured that he wouldn't call it off here for his tournament life without a 4, and the only way he could have a 4 was with A4 or 44. Compared to the combos of 22, 33, 55, A2, A3, A5, and A7 that he could have, I thought the bluff was worth it. I obviously would've liked to be able to raise only 3x or 4x his bet tops, but I really felt I had to set him in for this bluff to work.

As soon as I shoved, he groaned and sat back in his chair. I already knew the bluff was going to work.

"Nice one Joey", I smiled to myself. 

He then said "do you raise there with a bare 4?" and I was like "shit, this guy's going to hero-call me because he thinks I need 64 to raise". After probably 30 seconds of thought he sighed and eventually said "I have to call" and did.

I sheepishly turned over  my hand and he flipped...

Pocket fours.

FML.

What I can say though is that I'm now certain that my bluff would've worked had he not had a 4. I mean, he tanked with two of them!

Tangling with the Pros

After that failed bluff I was left with 15K. I managed to work my stack back up to the mid-twenties courtesy of some interesting pots with Vicky Coren.

In one I isolated her on the button with J8o and got calls from her and one of the blinds. The flop came AK8ss and it checked to me. For various reasons I usually c-bet this flop despite having some showdown value but on this occasion I decided to make a delayed c-bet because I had seen Vicky open-limp an Ace before. I felt she would lead it on the turn with the flush draw out there and thus could make pretty perfect turn decisions if I checked it back on the flop. The turn brought my gin card, an offsuit 8, and the small blind led for 1K (about pot) and Vicky called. I pondered raising but decided that it would look too strong and would probably squeeze them both out right then and there. Although I was risking a bad river card by just calling, I felt there was no chance either of them would fold an Ace on an AK88x board if I let them see showdown for just one more bet. So I called, the river bricked and they checked to me. I fired pot, the blind folded and Vicky ended up calling with presumably an Ace after some thought.

The other hand was a bit weird and I'm not sure what I think of it. Again Vicky open-limped, I called in the SB with A8o, and the BB checked. The flop came 542hh, I led and Vicky called. The turn brought the Ah (I had no hearts) and I had an interesting spot. Given my read that Vicky limped Ax hands, all of which would have peeled the flop, I was kind of concerned about losing to A9+. At the same time, my hand had so much showdown value and was unlikely to be bluffed by worse that just checking and hoping to see a cheap showdown seemed perfectly acceptable. I decided however to turn my hand into a bluff and fire three bullets, just in case. She would almost certainly peel the turn with A9+ but would probably fold most rivers on the three-flush, four-straight board. Again, it's pretty hard for her to have a 3 in her hand or two hearts, so I decided that the bluff was worth making since I conceivably could have anything from the SB.

So I led for 700 into 1100 on the turn (she called) and then overbet 3300 on the river. She folded pretty quickly.

I also played a pretty uninteresting hand with Matusow that I nevertheless thought I'd recount here. He open-limped, I isolated with A3h and we were heads-up to the J83r flop. He checked, I bet and he called. The turn brought the 6h giving me a flush draw and I decided to fire again, hoping to fold out a pair between mine and jacks. He folded pretty quickly, told me he had 99, and then made a big speech about how I definitely had him. Not quite Mike!

Push/Fold Time

Though I recovered to as high as 27K at one stage, I found myself slipping away towards the end of the day and was down to 15bb's when the following hand came up. I had A9o in the small blind and it was folded to a young player on the button who was also the chipleader on our table. He thought for a bit, pondered putting in a raise and then just open-shoved. The big blind had 20bb's.

I feel like I have a decent understanding of shove/re-shove/calling ranges but these situations are definitely not my strong point. A long time ago in an FTOPS event I open-shipped A2o on the button with 14bb's assuming that this would be standard and profitable but a friend pointed out that it's actually a losing play if the blinds are remotely competent at calling. Since the button was risking 20bb's in this spot (since the big blind had more than me) and there was still a player to act behind I decided to fold. It was disgustingly close spot I think though. If I had AT, or I was in the big blind instead of the small blind, or the big blind also had 15bb's, then I think I have to call.

Of course, I could be way off on this and it should be a snap regardless. Anyway at the end of the day he told me he had A6s. Oh well.

Not to matter though because exactly one orbit later I 3-bet/shoved from the small blind with 99 and won a race versus AQ to double through to 25K.

Bustout Hand

With 10 minutes to go it was decided that we would play 4 more hands and call it a day. Before the number of hands was drawn I told the guy to my right that I wanted 3 more hands so that I could play my button, cutoff and hijack. When they drew 4 I joked "I'll probably bust on that extra hand".

Well, I was close.

On the first hand I got dealt QQ on button (with 30bb's) and UTG+1 raised. I 3-bet, he 4-bet, I shoved and he called with AK. The flop was 9 high but the turn brought the Ace and that was that!

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Feb 11, 10 13:38:21

love the trip report! keep em coming!

lana





Feb 12, 10 11:55:35

'I managed to work my stack back up to the mid-twenties courtesy of some interesting pots with Vicky Coren'
I dare anyone to try and stop reading here.

oscaracosta





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February 09, 2010

Poker hasn't been going too well. Nearly hit 20K hands for the year online and am currently stuck 21K. Live I'm stuck 13K as well (although 10K of that is PCA) so definitely not a good start to the year...

I'm not sure if I'm rusty or just suck after being away for a month but it's getting a bit annoying. Every session is a 10K swing and when it's a positive one I think "good, now we can get back on track" but then sure enough the next session goes the other way.

I'm 16K below-EV for the year now which isn't too bad but honestly I feel like I'm 40K below since that is how much I'm below since I arrived back home. I ran really well while I was away but didn't really notice it since, you know, you don't really notice that extra race you won when you play a 20 minute HEM-less session and then go out for a big night of drinking in the Bahamas or NYC straight after. I actually really wish I had known then so I could've basked in the glory then and probably would not feel so sorry for myself now.

Anyway here's my graph for the year so far. Let's hope it takes a turn for the better! (And yes, that's the EV-line, I don't know why it's red either.)


Feb 9, 10 06:56:52

U feel like you really played a lot worse? Unable to lay second best hands down, bad reads, tired mind?

ps: In the new updated HEMversion, both the EV line and the non showdown line are red. Don't know why they did it, I preferred the light green one...

Gl, u'll soon be winning again, just play like the pokermachine u used to be!

Greets from Belgium

Rikke235





Feb 9, 10 15:15:19

ev is just one aspect of running good or bad, so honestly, it's totally irrelevant and you shouldn't even waste your time looking at it. what about the times where someone hits a 2 outer on the river and open shoves when it makes no sense and you snap it off with a huge hand because he's a fish, or the times you run kk into aa, or set over set, etc.

if you're running bad in cooler situations its usually far worse than just not having your hands hold up after the money goes in. usually they all balance themselves out.

ultimately, running good or bad doesn't matter anyway. it's one long session, and anyone can have crazy swings in 20k hands. all you can do is play your best each and every hand/session.

easier said than done, but ev graphs really don't help or tell the whole story. you could be running sick bad when you get the money in good, but sick good in cooler situations.

tilllttt





Feb 10, 10 00:07:16

Yo Joey...HUD.

P.s. Wonder if I cud troll ur blog more.

Xoxo

princessdonk





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February 08, 2010

Wow I just had one of those "sit back, do nothing wrong and watch your money disappear" sessions. Lost $11K in 500 hands and was $12K below-EV. One of my tables was a Cereus ante table which plays super aggressively because it has $5 antes at 10/20 rather than the $3 that FTP has. There I managed to run AKs into KK and AQs into AA four-handed and when I finally got it in good with KK v 44 I couldn't hold.

 

The only hand of note that I lost that I think is debatable is the following. I think it's a really interesting spot for reasons that probably aren't immediately obvious but I won't elaborate why because it might sway people's responses. Let me know what you think!

No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (3 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com


SB ($2000)
Hero (BB) ($3856)
Button ($3339)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5
Button bets $70, 1 fold, Hero raises to $230, Button calls $160

Flop: ($470) 4, 7, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $320, Button calls $320

Turn: ($1110) K (2 players)
Hero?

Total pot: $1110

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Feb 8, 10 01:21:38

I know I'm just a lowly husng player and you are much better a player than I, but in my humble opinion I would check-fold this card with little deliberation. Best-case scenario I think is that he defended against your 3-bet pre with A5-A7os and that he does not have a heart in his hand...that's the only scenario where I think you'd possibly get a fold from barreling the turn. Also, if you do decide to barrel repping AK or something, you'd be in such a sick spot on the river if he calls the turn...a river bet repping AK opens you up to getting bluffraised on the river by an opponent who's turning his hand into a bluff, and a river check lets a weakish hand that a turn barrel may or may not fold out get to showdown. Even if he were on a random float on the flop, a float is probably going to rep something when the Kh turns which makes check-calling the turn really gross...even if he were floating you with something like QhJd and you hero check-call the turned Kh, you basically have to hope he was floating and dodge all of the significant equity a QhJd has here, and you have the potential guessing game if he bets a blank river. Also, when you check the turn he's not always going to bet i.e. pot controlling if he has something like Ad6h or 99 with no heart trying to get to showdown, so there's a small chance you get to draw to your openender for free.

Again, this is just my humble opinion lol but with no background knowledge I think a check here with the intention of check-folding is the best play since it's pretty tough to rep a flush and the Kh on the turn probably seems to your opponent like such an obvious card you'd barrel without AK or KQ in your hand, but a card you'd probably pot control or bluffcatch with if you did pair the K.

ridetime





Feb 8, 10 01:35:08

I think every option you have sucks! Checkfolding sucks! Checkcalling sucks! Checkjamming sucks! Leading turn and folding to a shove sucks! Leading turn and calling a shove sucks!

This is why I never 3 bet small pairs out of position in spots when my opponent and I are at least 166 BB's deep as is the case here. You end up getting in spots like these way too often.

Whenever you 3B baby pairs out of position this deep unless you flop a set, you're always just going to be on a straight bluff postflop with little or no hope to improve, except for extremely rare cases like this one where you actually did flop a draw .

You are basically just praying that he folds to your cbet because you can never continue against a raise, unless you flop a set.

Even when he floats your cbet, if you do decide to 2 barrel it's almost always going to be on a straight bluff with very little hope to improve, and once again you're just crossing your fingers and hoping he folds again.

I just don't think 3Betting pocket 5's this deep against a competent player is going to optimal, even though you are a little bit ahead of his button range, the hand is just to hard to play postflop. If you run a poker stove calculation of 55 vs. a 50% button raising range your equity is only 52%.

gofast44





Feb 8, 10 02:45:07

looks like a fun spot to c/raise ?

dahdah





Feb 8, 10 02:53:52

caveat: i play many orders of magnitude lower than you, so obviously take the below with a grain of salt.

i'd c/f the turn. by continuing to bet, the better hands you're hoping to fold are like 88-TT without a heart (i'm guessing JJ+ would've probably raised flop). that's a pretty tiny range and probably at least even combinatorically with the flush draw combos he could've called pre and floated flop with. plus the K actually hits some of his non flush draw hands that he decided to float with.

just a guess, but i think the interesting part of the hand you're alluding to is what happens if the villain checks back the turn. i think then, on any non-heart river, CR bluffing becomes an option to consider. on the turn, we'd expect villain to bet all his non-nut flushes, and sometimes Kx, and sometimes the 88-TT hands. depends on dynamic and reads between you two. so when he checks back turn, you could consider CR bluffing if he decides to toss in a light valuebet with 88+ and Kx.

nomadic





Feb 8, 10 04:42:06

very sticky spot indeed. I don't think I can add anything useful to the discussion when I don't know villains tendencies (especially at 2knl). But f*ck it just for the fun of it: checkjam > checkcall, re-evaluate river > betcall > betfold > checkfold turn.

IveyUrGoingDown





Feb 8, 10 05:51:24

Telling us the reads on the villain helps :)

verneer





Feb 8, 10 06:19:04

i like b/f - it's pretty hard for him to have a hand without a heart in it that can shove turn so u dont fold away too much equity. whether to shove river is dependent on reads i spose.

brob26





Feb 8, 10 07:05:35

gofast: 3betting small pairs oop deep is actually really cool because when you flop a set you can win a huge pot and when you don't you don't normally have any difficult decisions. usually cbet once and give up. much easier to play than a 76s type hand that can flop a piece but not quite enough to be comfortable with, esp deep OOP. im not 3betting it because it's ahead of his btn range, i'm 3betting because it's better than calling and a neutral ev alternative to folding (or slightly +EV)

verneer: i guess i left that out. villain is a really solid euro reg who is capable of what you'd expect a high stakes reg to be capable of. def one of the biggest winners. i dont want to be too specific in case he's reading (unlikely but meh). just want to see people's general ideas on this spot

jcl





Feb 8, 10 13:35:55

I'm not going to comment on preflop and flop, but I do have different opinions on the spots. I don't hate your play, but I think given stack sizes, another play would be better.

Turn, I mean I'm not really happy with any play. If he's the type who will bet turn very thin to get a free showdown on the river, then obviously a turn c/r is very sexy. Otherwise, I think I'd bet 700ish on the turn, fold to a shove, or just check/fold myself

overbet56





Feb 8, 10 13:39:34

And again, I'm going readless here, if you have a read that he can shove turn without a super strong hand, then obviously some other line is better. But since I don'tknow if he can shove here with less than say 44, I would bet.

overbet56





Feb 8, 10 14:09:59

Standard disclaimer -- microstakes player so take this for what it is worth.

What do we think about Villain's read on you? In particular, did this villain know you were down and is there any chance he thought you might be on tilt and therefore he would be more likely to call a semi-bluff even with more marginal hands (e.g., does 8h8x fold with our table image)?

I would also note that some of the time Villain will have called the flop planning to take it away on the turn; and the Kh looks like a good scare card so I think if we bet there is a good chance we will get raised here. For this reason, i think c/r is better than b/f but maybe not as good as c/f with our table image.

lakers30240





Feb 8, 10 18:00:24

He is correct to shove all made hands and semi-bluffs against a cbet here, which makes a turn cbet problematic, as you're probably dominated by his shoving range.

UNLESS you overshove semi-bluff yourself. Does villain's range include enough folds to make that profitable?

I prefer check-fold to check-call.

feltbot





Feb 8, 10 21:56:19

-> JCL

3B small pairs is bad.

You say its "easy" to play small PP when in fact thats just not true. They re easy to play if u like to give up on pots. u will flop hardly ever good flops where u can continue with your pair on turns coz u just have 2 outs as equity added to fold equity.

So therefore it is very hard for u acutally to decide when ur 55 is good and when not, coz obv no one folds to C bets. They are very difficult to play if u like makin the right decisions.

thr1ll





Feb 9, 10 00:10:31

a small pair is just a bluff that can happen to flop a monster 1/8 times. the alternative is folding and folding 55 everytime to a button raise gets lame.

in terms of ease of play, if you saw brian townsend's last video you'll know what I'm talking about. i still 3bet hands like 76s, but the fact is these hands are much tricker to manouvre with postflop oop deep because you often flop a small piece but not enough of a piece to know what to do when facing a raise or a call and a tough turn.

jcl





Feb 9, 10 05:20:43

people are making a big deal about 3betting 55. However if you have a tighter image I like it better. There aren't a ton of heart draws he will show up with that don't raise the flop. Persoanally given stacks I'd float my heart draws sometimes, expecting you to barrel when it hits on the turn, but I doubt this guy does that. Really depends on how frisky you've been in last few orbits but its a decent spot to fire 3. Had you flatted pf, you could c/r and barrel off assuming he cbets this board a fair amount with marginal holdings.

Check calling the flop is an option as well given that he 'll probably bluff your outs.

COOLRUNNINGS





Feb 10, 10 19:03:02

the only i way i am 3B a small PP is in anticipation of high 4B bluff freq to 5B shove it.

small PP are is the last choice when it comes to 3B hands... I much rather have almost anything else.
1/8 bluff means u loose a ton of pots.. its just a bad hand to do it with.

22-55 are overrated overall as far as equity and playability goes, these hands are not good

thr1ll





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February 05, 2010

The two articles I wrote last year are up :). One is for CardPlayer, the other for PokerPlayer. Check them out if you have time. I think the CardPlayer hand is especially cool (I actually wrote about this hand ages ago in a blog post about overbetting) so let me know what you think of it.

CardPlayer: http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplayer-magazines/657...

PokerPlayer: http://www.pokerplayer.co.uk/poker-strategy/cash-p...


Feb 6, 10 01:02:46

great articles! keep it up

impact69





Feb 6, 10 02:23:23

In the card player hand how often would you fold to a shove by villain on the river, i think just calling there is the weakest option.
Rarely play heads up though just wondering.

dahdah





Feb 6, 10 02:42:15

its a 6max hand sb v bb. id fold everytime if he jammed there

jcl





Feb 6, 10 02:44:50

calling in villains spot is also better than shoving in this spot i think because my range is so polarised in his eyes that theres no need to shove. only if he thinks im triple barrel overbet range merging like i did here shld he shove to move me off it

jcl





Feb 6, 10 03:51:33

Cool, thnx for the feedback joey, do you use overbets alot in this spot or did the idea come to you after playing Galfond...i remeber you saying his bet sizing owned you a few times.
Congrats on your success for 09 btw keep it up

dahdah





Feb 6, 10 03:55:40

the hand is actually about a year old. i used overbets a lot more then, nowadays i rarely use them for various reasons

jcl





Feb 6, 10 06:28:51

good couple of spreads...congrats bud

nnappi9





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